PLYMOUTH CREEK CENTER

The 18,000 square foot Plymouth Creek Center opened in 2000 at a cost of $7.6 million.  

In 2006, the lower level was completed, bringing the Center to 29,000 square feet, at a cost of $915,000.

In 2016 the City started planning for a renovation and expansion of the PCC.

NOW THE PLAN IS TO SPEND $51 MILLION ON A NEW PCC THAT'S THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THE OLD ONE.

Open houses and two Flash Vote surveys were done to evaluate interest in expanding the PCC.   The 2018 Flash Vote survey showed 1048 participants. Only 64% of those people were Plymouth residents.   And of those people, only a third of them - 235 people - had used the facility more than twice in the prior year.

The 2019 Flash Vote survey showed 1145 participants.    Again, the numbers for community engagement were exaggerated, but less so. This time, 75% of the respondents - or 863 people - were residents.

By mid-July 2020, over 2200 Plymouth residents had signed a petition to save Hollydale.

Suvery Responses

PCC USAGE

According to the 2018 Park & Rec report, a full 80% of the usage at PCC is for Park and Rec programs.  In 2019 only 6 out of 10 weekend days are booked for the event center.

Per the 'Full Plymouth Room Weekend Availability' document, in 2019 37 of 52 Saturdays were booked, and 25 of 52 Fridays, totalling 62 of 104 weekend days, or 60%.  In total, 34%, or 124 of 365 days are blocked out on the 2019 calendar.

 

TAXPAYER SUBSIDY

Some are concerned that golf "loses money". Recreation programs and the PCC lose a ton of money.  Property taxes pay for 34 cents of every dollar that spent on rec programs - a $650,000 subsidy, and $6.78 million, or 64% overall.

 

CHILDREN'S PLAY SPACES

"We're going to put in an indoor children's play area, even though we already have one in the dome, where open play attendance is down over 50% over the last five years, and only 65% of participants are Plymouth residents. 

 

INDOOR WALKING TRACK

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The most popular amenity noted in the survey was for an indoor walking track.  We presently have a walking track in the dome, and 173 miles of walking trails throughout the city. 

September 2019 drawings show a walking track with about a 715 foot perimeter, or 7.4 laps per mile. The field house is 5.25 laps per mile.  It appears to be about ten feet wide.

 
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COMMUNITY CENTER COMPARISON

Part of the justification was the consultant's observation that our community center is smaller than other cities', ...

PLYMOUTH'S LIFETIME FITNESS 

AGREEMENT

... even though the agreement with LifeTime fitness - with its 2 gyms, and weight room and free fitness classes and free babysitting and childrens play space - was made expressly so Plymouth residents would not have to pay for an expensive community center space.

The Feasibility Study compared the PCC to seven other community centers, citing a "significant investment by peer communities." It highlighted the difference in square foot per resident, from Plymouth's .39 square feet per resident to Chaska's 5.24 square feet per resident.  It took into account the square footage of ice arenas in other facilities, but ignored the square footage of Plymouth's ice arena.

The comparison also did not take into account the square footage of Plymouth's Lifetime Fitness,  which is available to Plymouth residents at a reduced rate.

More information regarding Plymouth's Agreement with Lifetime, the context for its approval & amenities it provided here.